So, I have to say, Chris Matthews, who I once enjoyed for
his passion, who I later reviled as a dishonest partisan hiding his biases, and
then later considered just an out of the closest partisan when his network gave the
go-ahead to be so, impressed me with his last interview with Trump. Maybe he’s grown (or
I have) and I will give him another chance.
Though I doubt very much he would apply such zeal to a
Democrat interviewee, he was joyfully relentless in his last interview/town
hall meeting with Trump, whose lack of logic and thoughtfulness makes him
incapable of continuous reasoned argument. So Trump, instead, relies on his aggressiveness,
speaking over his questioner, moving to other issues in a single sentence in an
effort to divert attention from what he doesn’t want to answer.
But, Matthews got him twice. Once, in the face of Trump's
insistence that nuclear weapons aren’t off the table he had to back-up quickly
upon being asked “You might use [a nuke] in Europe?” and completely contrarily added that he would be the last one to use nuclear weapons (though he is the
only one who doesn’t take it off the table) and - of course not- or words to that effect.
But, his response on abortion was even more controversial.
Asked by Matthews if abortion was murder, will he punish the women who have
them, Trump did his usual stonewalling, and tried, successively for a while, to
get Matthews to talk about the Catholic position on it, I guess to show either
that Matthews is hypocritical or that this was a murky topic. But, then,
pressed to the point that he couldn’t convincingly stonewall anymore he said
yes, women would have to be punished for it.
And the world went a little crazy. Trump backed off big time
on twitter, saying that women were victims and only the providers would be
punished.
Now, this means a lot of things. It shows once again that
Trump knows so little about any issue that he may be the least informed major
candidate ever to run for president. It shows that he is not a conservative,
that he probably doesn’t even know what established conservative views on
abortion are (and not that alone) and that he just talks off the top of his
head.
The scary part for me is that someday, if he is elected,
Trump will not have to worry about getting elected and will not care about
public opinion at all. He’ll make an ill-informed guess on important matters
and we will be stuck with them.
But . . . but . . . but Trump was logically right and
politically wrong. That, and not a long opinion on abortion itself is my goal
here. Let me digress a little.
I wrote on abortion in the past and I find it really painful
to do so, not least because I am not prone to certainty about abortion and I
might change my mind as I have in the past.
In summary, I can respect putting a high value on life, on the right for
women to control their own bodies and also, not being a nihilist, that the
state has some interest in the life of a fetus. Probably most everyone with an
opinion on it agrees on these things. The reason people who agree on these
things in general do not agree on what the law should be is because they
balance these interests differently, particularly because as to the issue of when
those cells become a baby and/or when a fetus is entitled to protection. I have
often said and still believe that the main factor in when someone
believes abortion is wrong is almost always when that person sees a fetus as being
a baby, though I suppose the few who favor later term abortion might not care.
In my own juggling of these factors, I have come to hate with a passion late term abortion – would be fine with it if they called it
and treated it as murder – but, I am also fine with abortion being permissible
for the first 5 weeks or so (and not to the first trimester as it is in Roe v.
Wade), when it is, relatively speaking to its existence, not a person having a
brain and a heart. I realize there are
a lot of practical problems with this (does the woman even know she’s
pregnant?) but I also believe that people’s stands on this issue, including my
own, should be in the large, in accord with their moral beliefs respecting life
and liberty, not the practicalities or inconveniences of it.
Now back to Trump. So, let’s take him on his initial words
with respect to punishing women who have illegal abortions, before he retracted
it. Is that logical or illogical? If something is illegal, then there are
usually consequences for it. I feel fairly confident that most if not all of
our criminal laws respecting the taking of life have penalties for the
responsible person.
I also feel fairly confident that if any person makes a
choice to do something without being intentionally compelled to do so, may not
be described as a victim, as Trump later said when back pedaling. If a man or
woman takes up prostitution because they believe it is a good way to earn
money, I do not consider them a victim, regardless of how nasty they think
selling their body for sex may be. If they are forced to do so, of course they
are victims.
So, if a woman is drugged and the next thing she knows
someone is performing an abortion, then yes, that is a victim. If she decides
that she doesn’t want a baby right now after she is pregnant for any of the
usual reasons, even economic, and she has one, then yes no she is not a victim.
If it is illegal, and it is a criminal law, then of course she should be
charged. And if it is murder, then definitively so. What other murderer (if
that is what the law is) gets to say, no I’m not.
There are gray areas and I will get to them. But, right now,
given the question – if abortion is murder, should the woman be punished, yes,
of course, the only logical answer is the only answer. Trump answered
correctly. He changed on it because initially he possibly wasn’t aware that
many pro-life advocates recognize that holding women responsible makes many,
perhaps most Americans, very unsympathetic to their position and often do not
take it. In fact, it is likely shooting him in the foot with many pro-lifers
and huge amounts of independents and Trump-Democrats. And, of course Trump has no idea whatsoever
what the usual positions on abortion are, because it has nothing to do with his
personal success or self-aggrandizement. He just shot from the hip, recognized he was
hurting his brand, and reversed himself so completely, he has now called women
who have abortions victims (of who – the doctors they asked to perform the
abortion?), which is about as illogical as you can get.
But that is logic and what do voters care? As one of the
most famous judges in history wrote in his book The Common Law – “The life of the law has not been logic; it has
been experience.” The same is true of campaigns. In the end, few care a whit
for logic if it doesn’t support their favored position.
Since I’ve dipped into this difficult topic, I’ll add a few
more words on the exceptions, because logically, they do not make much sense to
me. The three exceptions that many pro-lifers even accept are cases of
pregnancy through rape, incest and the mother’s health. The first is simply
illogical, the second mostly illogical and the third not illogical, whether
right or wrong.
Rape - If you are pro-life, because you believe it is wrong
to kill a living being, then why should it matter that it is the product of a rape?
Why is that different than being a product of a loveless relationship? A paid
for relationship? Or wildly inconvenient? It’s not. The mindset of the parents
has no bearing on whether a child should survive – for the logically consistent
pro-lifer. If you are very pro-choice (that is, abortion on demand or something
approaching that), of course, it is not relevant either.
Incest – You could apply the same analysis here as with rape
– the parents’ morality doesn’t matter if you are pro-life. But, it is not that
simple because there is a physiological issue – congenital conditions are more
likely for close relatives, the closer – the more likely, often called a result
of inbreeding. So, understandably, people do not want children to suffer as a
result of their choices. But, what if it happens – is this different than a
fetus which is not the product of closely related parents which happens to have
a congenital condition. Again, if you are pro-life and you would not abort a
child with Down syndrome, what rationale do you have to abort one who might
have a congenital condition or even one you are not aware of? It is not a big jump
from that to euthanasia of those deemed “defective.” It is hard not to say that
for a pro-lifer, this exception is also illogical.
The last issue is the life or health of a mother. Again, I’m
not arguing right and wrong, just talking about logic. There is a logical
difference here. You have another person at stake, and arguably one with more
rights. Whether you couch this as self-defense or simply a balancing of rights,
you can make a consistent logical argument to be pro-life and accept this
exception.
I recognize that other people may have different definitions
of pro-life than I have used here. I’m just saying, if you believe that
abortion is murder because that fetus is human, I believe you are illogical if
you except rape and incest. Maybe you are right, but it’s illogical.
And, Donald Trump was right, initially, and should have stuck
to his guns and not been “politically correct.” Not that he’s not a potential
disaster, but he was right the first time.
Uncomfortable topic today - sorry.